![]() The Defias under Edwin were originally stone masons. The defias were literally replaced by the syndicate with different color bandanas like 20 levels later. ![]() The defias coat almost nothing to defeat, just a band of rag-tag adventurers.Īs for N'zoth, after barely being awoken and diminished in power he attacked the entire planet simultaneously, corrupted massive swathes of the worlds population, the horde and the alliance had already called a cease-fire to deal with the naga, and speaking of naga, was single handedly responsible for crafting the race that has persistently ACTUALLY been an ongoing threat and major player in many world events going all the way back to warcraft 3. They had a coalition of races all over the world on their side and ALSO the horde, and all those conflicts were won but all at great cost, up to and including the entire planet being sundered, nearly reoriginated, and ultimately impaled on a planetary scale. That kingdom didn't defeat any of those threats single handedly. They're handily defeated by a bunch of barely tested heroes and almost never heard from again until a whole generation later. They didn't come anywhere close to overthrowing the kingdom unless there's some big plot piece I'm missing. ![]() The defias took over a small chunk of one part of a region that was under defended explicitly because of vastly greater threats elsewhere. The Cata scenario was completely fabricated and created by the new Defias all for a revenge plot. Just like in Cata where Varian was sending wagon-loads of supplies to Westfall to help the people resettle and to feed them, but the new Defias where intercepting them and either burning them or stealing everything, and then they'd go tell everyone how Varian was doing nothing and to join them and they'd be fed and paid. This is when she paid to have him kidnapped because she wasn't having as much an influence on him as the others and feared he'd come up with another solution again, which was counter intuitive to her plans. He didn't have more to give and so the conflict continued as Onyxia wished. But again due to Onyxia's meddling it was refused she convinced to Defias to say no to Varian's offer of payment and demand even more. Then Varian came in and offered to pay the amount in full. I just wonder how it could have been different.Īctually it was the House of Nobles that wouldn't pay up, due to Onyxia. Of course, the factor here is that Lady Prestor/Onyxia was the heavy hand making the Defias happen, and she took the actions she did knowing Van Cleef would respond the way he did, so it would always be tough for him to take a different path. The Defias is made up of a pretty good network of rogues, I wonder if they could have silently infiltrated the city, killing of nobles. If you were Edwin Van Cleef with control over the Defias, what would you have done? It seems to me like if he rallied the lowly farmers to his cause, it could have been more effective than killing them and their land.Īnother possibility that would have been effective would have maybe been a more subtly attack on Stormwind. I am not in the "VC did nothing wrong!" boat, but I do ask myself what he could have done differently. Like many people, I have a level of respect for Van Cleef. It's a pretty straight forward villain plot but always a classic. I think it is all very realistic for a terrorist situation: The group was wronged by rich nobles (in part due to Onyxia's corruption), the group gets angry, the group plans to destroy the city in revenge. Their motives are interesting, but ultimately their harming innocents to enact their revenge hurts any sympathy. ![]() I am a big fan of the Defias, likely due to a mix of nostalgia and because they are a somewhat "realistic" threat in Warcraft.
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